1998, Dresda, Stephan Pockrandt starts the cult label Eis & Licht. With the first release of a german band called Orplid the Eis & Licht is on the verge to explodes in all Europe leading a new wave of inspired apocalyptic bands that will form the so, later, called, neo folk movement. In less than 12 years the label will release a bit more then 50 albums, including the debut of some incredible bands like Of the Wand and The Moon, Forseti, Orplid, Sonne Hagal and many more. 26 years after we have the pleasure to discuss the man “behind the scene”.
The 10” vinyl become the iconic release format of the label. It was the perfect debut for bands like Forseti, Legere des Heils, Dies Natalis, etc…was this an intentional choice?
First of all, I would like to thank you for your interest in my long-buried label. And then to paraphrase a quote: “When I hear the word iconic, I take the safety off my gun!” But joking aside, this format simply suggested itself. Singles were too short for me and there was often not enough material for LPs. So I thought that the 10inch format, i.e. that of an EP, could be the best way to represent my label. And so it was.
I remember that suddenly Germany was the center of the independent music, the underground scene was flourishing and there was lot of places to be and festival to attend. What memory do you have of these early years?
I think that what you say applies above all to the gothic scene. It got bigger and bigger and the Gothics started to listen to more and more apocalyptic folk, industrial, dark ambient and so on. It was an incredibly free, wild time, with lots of open festivals where the big, well-known scene bands could perform, but also more specialised newcomers. From the very beginning, the Wave-Gothic-Treffen in Leipzig was designed for diversity and openness – even towards strange artists. Death in June played at Leipzig’s Werk II (not without opposition, but they were allowed to perform!), we organised various concerts in Saxony. There was a lot of interest, a young, still growing scene and lots of partying. Marvellous!
“Das Graue Corps” was released in the 1999 featuring some of the most important bands of the label, can you tell us a bit more about the concept and mysterious band of “VE Europa!” that close the record?
VE EUROPA were, if I remember correctly, a side project of Stefan B. from VOXUS Imp. He’s still active with DARKWOOD and SARDH, but I don’t know if he’s still running his own projects.
What release you think people did not really understood from your production? Which one do you find most representative?
I am still proud of almost all of my label’s productions today and have released some very good recordings. First of all I would like to mention “…and you will fear death not” by SCIVIAS, but also ORPLID (“Nocturnal Disciples”), OSTARA (“Kingdom Gone”), NEUTRAL (“Serpents in the dawn”), LEGER DES HEILS (“Memoria”), LUX INTERNA (“God is not dead…” and many more I still like to listen to today. I think today that the Parzival LP, the Nerthus/Sonne Hagal split LP and the Von Thronstahl EP might not have been a good fit, but at the time they were right for the audience and for me.
The most beautiful moment for the label, the greatest achievement.
I was very pleased to be able to work with Ostara, Backworld and Camerata Mediolanense. It was also a great pleasure that Andreas Ritter(Forseti) published his first songs with me. All in all, I have made many inspiring and enriching acquaintances through the label. Some of them became close friendships that have lasted to this day – the biggest gain for me!
At some point things start to change, you have the clear feeling that also productions like “Primus inter Pares” or “Alex Fergusson” switch the direction of the label.
I didn’t feel that way. PRIMUS INTER PARES was the solo project of Frank Machau, who had also recorded and sung more or less all of the ORPLID albums. And it all started with ORPLID in 1997! ALEX FERGUSSON had written PSYCHIC TV’s biggest hits, he was responsible for the roots of apocalyptic folk and always composed good songs. But unfortunately, few people wanted to hear him solo. What a pity.
How did it end and why?
I ended my work for three reasons. The label was no longer profitable, I was increasingly losing money with it. At that time, the entire music industry had already been in a state of upheaval for several years, physical records seemed to be disappearing and everything was pointing in the direction of downloading and streaming. That was neither then nor now my favourite way of listening to music. My taste in music had also changed. Even though I remained loyal to the heroes of my Apocalyptic Folk youth, I was listening to more and more pop music.In retrospect, I didn’t regret the decision. I was able to sell off almost my entire stock, put my mailorder-service in the hands of a friend (“Lichterklang”) and remained friends with many musicians. It was only this year that Joe Budenholzer (BACKWORLD) and Richard Levy (OSTARA) told me how happy they were about the former collaboration, something that made me happy!
Thanks Stephan, for your passionate work, I wish you will inspiring generations to come
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Italian Version
1998, Dresda, Stephan Pockrandt fonda l’etichetta di culto Eis & Licht. Con la prima pubblicazione di una band tedesca chiamata Orplid, la Eis & Licht è sul punto di esplodere in tutta Europa guidando una nuova ondata di gruppi apocalittici che formeranno il cosiddetto movimento neo folk. In meno di 12 anni l’etichetta pubblicherà poco più di 50 album, tra cui il debutto di alcuni gruppi incredibili come Of the Wand and The Moon, Forseti, Orplid, Sonne Hagal e molti altri. 26 anni dopo abbiamo il piacere di parlare con l’uomo “dietro le quinte”. Il vinile da 10″ è diventato il formato iconico dell’etichetta. È stato il debutto perfetto per band come Forseti, Legere des Heils, Dies Natalis, ecc… È stata una scelta voluta?
Prima di tutto, vorrei ringraziarvi per l’interesse dimostrato nei confronti della mia etichetta, da tempo sepolta. anche se quando sento la parola iconico, tolgo la sicura alla mia pistola!. Ma a parte gli scherzi, questo formato si è semplicemente suggerito da solo. I singoli erano troppo corti per me e spesso non c’era abbastanza materiale per gli LP. Così ho pensato che il formato da 10 pollici, cioè quello di un EP, potesse essere il modo migliore per rappresentare la mia etichetta. E così è stato.
Ricordo che all’improvviso la Germania era il centro della musica indipendente, la scena underground era fiorente e c’erano molti posti dove essere e festival a cui partecipare. Che ricordo hai di questi primi anni?
Credo che quello che dici si applichi soprattutto alla scena gothic. Diventava sempre più grande e i gothic iniziavano ad ascoltare sempre più folk apocalittico, industrial, dark ambient e così via. Era un periodo incredibilmente libero e selvaggio, con molti festival aperti in cui potevano esibirsi le grandi e note band della scena, ma anche i nuovi arrivati. Fin dall’inizio, il Wave-Gothic-Treffen di Lipsia è stato concepito per la diversità e l’apertura, anche nei confronti di artisti sconosciuti. I Death in June hanno suonato al Werk II di Lipsia (non senza opposizione, ma gli è stato permesso di esibirsi!), abbiamo organizzato vari concerti in Sassonia. C’era molto interesse, una scena giovane e ancora in crescita e molte feste. Meraviglioso!
“Das Graue Corps” è stato pubblicato nel 1999 con alcune delle band più importanti dell’etichetta, puoi dirci qualcosa di più sul concetto e sulla misteriosa band dei “VE Europa!” che chiude il disco?
I VE EUROPA erano, se non ricordo male, un side project di Stefan B. dei VOXUS Imp. È ancora attivo con DARKWOOD e SARDH, ma non so se stia ancora portando avanti i suoi progetti.
Cosa pensi che la gente non abbia capito della tua produzione? Quale consideri la più rappresentativa?
Ancora oggi sono orgoglioso di quasi tutte le produzioni della mia etichetta, che ha pubblicato alcuni ottimi dischi. Prima di tutto vorrei citare “…and you will fear death not” degli SCIVIAS, ma anche ORPLID (“Nocturnal Disciples”), OSTARA (“Kingdom Gone”), NEUTRAL (“Serpents in the dawn”), LEGER DES HEILS (“Memoria”), LUX INTERNA (“God is not dead…” e molti altri che mi piace ascoltare ancora oggi. Oggi penso che l’LP Parzival, lo split LP Nerthus/Sonne Hagal e l’EP Von Thronstahl forse non erano adatti, ma all’epoca erano giusti per il pubblico e per me.
Il momento più bello per l’etichetta, il risultato più grande.
Sono stato molto contento di poter lavorare con Ostara, Backworld e Camerata Mediolanense. È stato anche un grande piacere che Andreas Ritter (Forseti) abbia pubblicato le sue prime canzoni con me. Nel complesso, grazie all’etichetta ho fatto molte conoscenze stimolanti e arricchenti. Alcuni di loro sono diventati amicizie strette che durano tuttora – il più grande guadagno per me!
A un certo punto le cose cominciano a cambiare, si ha la netta sensazione che anche produzioni come “Primus inter Pares” o “Alex Fergusson” cambino la direzione dell’etichetta.
Io non ho avuto questa sensazione. PRIMUS INTER PARES era il progetto solista di Frank Machau, che aveva anche registrato e cantato più o meno tutti gli album degli ORPLID. E tutto è iniziato con gli ORPLID nel 1997! ALEX FERGUSSON aveva scritto i maggiori successi di PSYCHIC TV, era responsabile delle radici del folk apocalittico e aveva sempre composto buone canzoni. Ma sfortunatamente, poche persone volevano ascoltarlo da solista. Che peccato.
Come è finita e perché?
Ho chiuso il mio lavoro per tre motivi. L’etichetta non era più redditizia, stavo perdendo sempre più soldi. A quel tempo, l’intera industria musicale era già in uno stato di sconvolgimento da diversi anni, i dischi fisici sembravano scomparire e tutto andava nella direzione del download e dello streaming. Non era né allora né oggi il mio modo preferito di ascoltare la musica. Anche i miei gusti musicali erano cambiati. Anche se ero rimasto fedele agli eroi della mia giovinezza apocalittica e folk, ascoltavo sempre più musica pop. Riuscii a vendere quasi tutto il mio stock, affidai il mio servizio di vendita per corrispondenza a un amico (“Lichterklang”) e rimasi amico di molti musicisti. Solo quest’anno Joe Budenholzer (BACKWORLD) e Richard Levy (OSTARA) mi hanno detto quanto fossero contenti della precedente collaborazione, cosa che mi ha reso felice!
Grazie Stephan, per il tuo lavoro appassionato, ti auguro di ispirare le generazioni a venire.
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